Deliberation Process: Eric's Return

[Kahlan Lothair]

I would like everyones opinion on this matter. Eric says he has changed. I havent talked to him enough to know myself.

Eric, you are not allowed to vote.

Nim/Rillith, you are not allowed to vote.

Again I would like a reason behind your vote, it is much appreciated. Also, if you do not know Eric or if you joined after he was thrown out of Ulster, please make an informed decision. Im sure Eric would much rather you make an informed opinion on his return.

Thank you everyone!

[Theoren Roullier]

Not to be crass but none of us can make an informed decision since he doesn't talk to any of us.

I'm withholding my vote to see if he actually wants it bad enough to come prove to me he's finally got his neurons rewired.

[Amariette Willowbane]

Ok, well, I'll just say this.

I did vote no.

Call me crazy, but it seems like Eric caused more problems than he solved. In fact, he incited alot of them himself and I don't think he can handle being back in a group like this because,

one: He has no respect for authority if things don't go the way 'he' wants them to.

two: He just has a knack for getting under people's skin anyways.

I knew him when he was in this group and I was amazed at what he was allowed to get away with. Personally, I don't want him around.

I don't even want to entertain the thought that he -might- be around again.

[Eric]

I don't even know who you are? ~Speaking to Willowbane person~

And btw, Kahlan, you can just drop the act, because you've wasted my time, I've waited for two months for you to post this thread, I didn't even bother you. Then I hear you are setting me up to fail, which I undoubtly don't doubt. So why waste my time? I mean, I don't want to be in this RP so badly, that you degrade me, and waste so much of my time, that I coudl be using to find another rp. That's kinda mean, and rude. And really the reason you don't want Rillith to vote is cuz he's biased? Well um, everyone is biased, if you aren't biased, you don't vote. So that made no sense. My main question in this is why? Why do this to me? Why lead me on? Why?

It's ridiculus. And to be quite honest I don't really know why I want to be here, when all I get is mean, and hurtful people like you. So.........

YOU CAN TAKE THIS GOD DAMN RP AND SHOVE IT UP YOUR ASS!!![/i]

You don't waste my time like that. Make me wait for two months, so you could humor me. Well guess what I don't have time for bs. I didn't plan on coming to this board to be rude, in this reply, infact, I was going to end it in my first sentence, but I started thinking about it and pissed my self off, because of the things you have done. So as I said, shove it.....I don't need this rp. I have my dignity.

~Eric, the Pissed Off

[Amariette Willowbane]

I just felt I had to share this with everyone since I found it rather amusing.

lady_sarena_shadowsong_of_ulster: And who the hell are you?

renae_willowbane: Excuse me?

lady_sarena_shadowsong_of_ulster: Are you Ammariette?

renae_willowbane: Yes

lady_sarena_shadowsong_of_ulster: So I ask you, who the fuck are you, and who the hell do you think youa re? And how can you comment like that, when you where only in ulster for Three Weeks before I got kicked out.....

lady_sarena_shadowsong_of_ulster: Normally I would say excuse my language but I'm pissed

renae_willowbane: Be pissed. I care little either way. I've been in Ulster for nine months and I have seen plenty of behind the scenes drama caused by you. What you pulled with Adam I found horribly disrespectful and I stand by my opinion. Period. So rant, rave, it doesn't matter to me. I'll not be pulled into your tantrum.

lady_sarena_shadowsong_of_ulster: Oh fuck off bitch. Who the fuck is Adam anyway?

renae_willowbane: You've made your personality very clear and I'll be sure to let everyone know of your manners, which they already find lacking....



It's one thing to try to cuss someone out, it's another thing to try and cuss someone out with broken grammar, bad punctuation, and deplorable vocabulary. Apparently, he's bad at both types.

I rest my case.

[Eric]

Yay!!!! She posted the tranny I knew she would!!!

All ya b-yotch's are like that!! Woo hoo!!!!!!



^_^

[Theoren Roullier]

Eric... what the hell kiddo?

She at least gave a reason, and you know, she may have only been here for three weeks but she was still around enough to see you were causing trouble before. I was ready to go to bat for you, too, but apparently you really haven't changed.

Just do me a favor, and it's a small one; I don't care how angry you are, don't talk to her like that. If you have the dignity you claim to, and people were setting you up to fail, I'll address that, but don't take your anger out on her, she doesn't deserve it. Next time you're going to go off on a cussing spree think about curbing it, because it really didn't get you anyplace.

Setting you up to fail, if it did happen, was wrong, but I didn't see anything in that post that was degrading. I don't know why Rilith was not allowed to vote, but you can't expect to come back and expect everyone to just take your word that everything is ok now, because it probably isn't with them. You angered and hurt quite a few people while you were here, like it or not, and while you have a point and it's not alright to mock you, it's also not something going to be fixed overnight.

Even if you don't want to be in this RP you should at least have the basic human respect not to bother Amariette or come on here swearing your ass off, because if you can't do that it makes you no better than what you're accusing other people of doing, so please, apologize before this becomes a bigger mess.

[Eric]

I do know why. She said he would vote in a bias. The reason I don't wanna be in this rp anymore, is because of her, whom wasted two months of my time. So she could set me up to fail, I know she did, I've been told. Other than that, maybe I was too quick to anger with Amarriette, I was just pissed, so sorry. ^_^ Didn't mean to take it out on you. And if you don't accept this apology, oh well.

Anyway. That's all I have to say at this time.

~Eric

[Kahlan Lothair]

This thread was long in coming Eric, and for that I apologize. Life gets in the way as we all know. I was only just able to get to the specifics and get my thoughts together to make a thread for you. As most everyone knows, Ive been sick lately and had finals about two weeks ago.

As for Rillith, or Nim. Which ever you would like to address him by. Nim took a stand with me and was the man to vouch for your return. Thus his opinion was already known by myself. Biased may not have been the proper term at the time. He was not to vote because in every sense of the word he was your attorney. His vote would go without saying here and be counted later. This poll was strictly for the traffic on this board such as Daniel, Amariette, Charlie, etc. My vote was, like Lev's, going to be held until the end to see if you could plead your case plausibly and with a measure of respect to everyone.

As the case would stand (minus this entire episode) I was on your side. Now, however, I find your actions toward a prominent member and the Senior Council Woman not unlike those towards Adam and Lev. Save that you did not go over her head to admin.

To say that I kept you waiting while your valuable time was spent doing nothing when you could have been RPing elsewhere, my only question to you is: Why didnt you RP during the interlude? I did not have my foot on your neck saying to you "You shall not RP while we are deliberating your return", now did I? You cannot hold any one of us responsible for the wait. I told you there would be a wait, but again I had some issues to address in my life that could not be set aside for RP. What time I had was spent making sure threads were moving smoothly.

Another issue, Eric. You could have shown us your change in character by handling this matter tactfully. There was no need for crude mannerisms and vulgarity. Amariette was only speaking on the behalf of the information that she had, you confronting her about how she voted was uncalled for. She deserves an apology.

It would seem, Eric, that you have chosen your own path. You do not want to be a part of our group. That is fine. I apologize for the wait, I should have made the thread sooner than I did.

Sorry to 'waste' your time Eric. Have fun RPing elsewhere. A few more threads are welcome before I lock this poll. Thanks for the input Lev and Tish and for keeping an eye on things while I was away. You are both very much appreciated.

-Jen

[Noah]

I don't think I'm going to vote on the subject because I haven't been that big of a part of Ulster as of late and thus I should have no say so in the matter of Eric being allowed to RP on this board again. However, delete this if you want, I couldn't help but feel compelled to offer my opinion and thus this humble little post that people will either find offensive, an eye sore....or just be in awe by the logic of it all. mature too. A heads up to the Moderators. I can be quite offensive, so you may want to go ahead and delete this post of mine Now what I noticed with the whole Amariette situation, it would seem to me that Eric IMed Amariette there and started the whole conversation. Maybe I'm wrong, but asuming I'm right, if you're going to IM someone and things end up turning harsh and offensive for you....then it's ultimately your fault for not being prepared for that when you IMed the person. Especially when they seem to have a moron moment and appearently think they're humoring you dispite the fact they obviously IMed you without provocation......that means you, Kahlan. But yes, asuming I'm right, you are indeed indebted to her.
But seriously, if you don't want to be at this board so badly, then why may I ask are you posting here at all? You might need Ulster, but obviously Ulster doesnt need you. I think they're actually being so nice as to actually be virtually spineless. Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to become the Maddox of RP, as my dumbass friend Dante did (Eric prolly knows what I'm talking about), but I'd be greatful if I were you for Ulster humoring me this much thus far. Then again, if I were you....I'd probably lack the awareness know what was going on in this situation...just as you seem to be. By posting nonsensical insults and jeers on this site, you tend to be doing nothing more than proving your opponents correct about you. I'm about as non-biased on this opinion as you can get because I'm basing virtually all of my argument on the samples of personality traits the Ulster members have given in this subject in comparison to your personality traits, as would anyone that is even more uninformed than me, and I think I can safely say you're digging your grave that much deeper. Like I said before, you might need Ulster, but Ulster doesn't need you. If you disagree with that, then you're more than welcome to prove me wrong.....by never again posting here. I think Ulster has been more than mature about this subject....perhaps you should be mature too.

[Eric]

I dont' need Ulster. I just wanted to be here. Because I had fun rping here, when I was here. And then just two days ago I changed my mind, when I was told, she made me wait, and then set me up to fail. So naturally? I got pissed. Especially, when some person I barely knew, and whom I might add I was kind too in my duratoin of being here when she was.....Who doesn't even really know me, and goes by what others say, makes such comments as she did. No matter how true her words may be, as I do have a knack for getting under the skin of others.

To Kahlan, the reason I waited Jen, is because I didn't want to get involved anywhere else with Serena, so all I've been rping basiclly is half ass Star Wars rp. I wanted to wait and get back into Ulster, and I know you've been sick, and finals...but I did pm you at the beginning of March. So yeah. That post didn't take long....As this is only taking me what two minutes tops? So naturally when someone told me you made me wait and set me up to fail, I believed them. And quite frankly I still do.

~Eric

[Jade-ness]

I don't usually do this, but I have really got to say something about this, so I hope someone pays attention.

I love you all very much, bear that in mind while perusing my post. Lev and Tish know how blunt I can be, and ripping people new ones isn't really my business, but I've got to point out some things.

This entire situation is completely fucking ridiculous.


I understand the poll was the easiest way of reaching the masses, but have we not already learned that having people aire their concerns about Eric or anyone for that matter publically only leads to a mudslinging match? Exactly what about this entire idea has been at all productive? Now everyone is pissed off and Eric is hurt, which has not only achieved a big fat nothing, but has set everyone back a few steps.

Next time something like this is going to be done, the reasons for the votes should be PMed to the site admins and the thread should be locked so the name calling and indignant ranting stays the hell off the board. I don't log on to read this bullshit. If people here were serious about writing for the sake of writing we wouldn't have these problems in the first place.

The real problem here is not Eric. It never has been Eric. The problem here is that people seem to have forgotten what's called basic human respect. Eric decided while he was still here to do some very stupid things with utter disregard to other people's feelings and plotlines. And then others here (just aboyut everyone, and I don't even want to fucking hear about how it wasn't so and so, because it was ALL of us), decided to start a middle school level flame war/popularity contest to rebuke him.

What the fuck, guys? Really, we're better people than that.

The base line is this: We all fucked up, and we all did some shitty things. Now get the hell over it, because if you're keeping score you should be ashamed. The idea of being good and decent people to one another should be foremost in your mind if that's the kind of treatment you want in return. Eric might cause problems, but there's not a single one of us that was not a shit at some point or another, god knows I was. It's the easiest thing in the world to point fingers at him, especially if you're not at home with yourself so you can say "it's not me, it's not me." Well it is you. It's all of us. We do stupid things, and thus far I haven't seen the sky start fallnig or the world stop turning.

So let's be a little more straight with one another and cut the bullshit here. This kind of exposition is causing as much melodrama as we are accusing Eric of starting. (And I use we to include myself because I am sure at one point or another I said or did something judgemental towards the kid and truth be told I haven't talked to him enough to really be able to make those kinds of calls, I just have been here long enough to have seen the product of the fights in question.)

Baseline should be this for the decision: If anyone here displays the inability to respect others and treat them kindly then they should get out because we don't want them. That doesn't mean everyone will be Steppford Wives 24/7, there will always be goof ups and harsh words, but on the whole, aren't we angling for a friendly and welcoming community or are we not?

That's not a lot to ask for. And I think we all need to take a step back from out glass houses and take a look before we start hurling stones.

So if anyone has anything productive to say, or would maybe... I don't know... like to talk to Eric, then do it. Otherwise keep it to yourself. I come here to write. If I wanted drama I would go buy myself the box set of As the World Turns.

<3
Jade

PS- I check here often, but while I'm in Athens I still have messenger, and my contact info is on my profile.

[Kahlan Lothair]

I agree with Jade.

This thread may not have been the brightest thing for me to do. At the time it was the easiest way out of a situation I had no time for. When in respect to Eric, an open poll may not have been the best idea.

Eric, I do apologize for making you wait. I'll own up to making you wait. I didnt really do it on purpose, and IMing me once at the beginning of March does absolutely nothing to remind me. Thankfully, Nim reminded me the day of or before this post was made.

I would like to clear things up for you though, I did not set you up to fail. Like I said previously I was on your side as you had partially shown me through some of your actions that you had changed a little at least.

Now keeping with the frankness Jade has instituted, I wont lie to you or to anyone when I say Ive never really liked you much. You've made an insufferable amount of trouble for me in the past. I did let you into Ulster, knowing you had messed up in Avalon, thinking you had changed for the better. Talk to me in an IM if you want more information.

This melodrama has gone too far. Im locking this thread. If you have any questions or comments catch me on messenger when you can find me. Thanks for all the input everyone. A double thanks to Jade for keeping us in our places

-Jen